
Welcome to the Online Warriors Podcast!
Founded in 2017, the Online Warriors Podcast was created as a way for its three founders to keep in touch while discussing all of their nerdy hobbies.
The passion project quickly developed into a full-blown show. Every week, we discuss the latest nerd news, go hands on with our latest adventures, and play a high-stakes quiz show. We even feature occasional interviews from industry guests!
The Online Warriors community is a welcoming and positive group where we can all embrace our nerdy side. We're glad you're here and hope we've gained your ear. Welcome to the round table!
Episodes

Wednesday Oct 06, 2021
Wednesday Oct 06, 2021
Welcome back to another episode of the Online Warriors Podcast! This week, it's "date night"...again! We're here to cover the new products announced during the Amazon Fall Hardware event, PlayStation's latest studio acquisition, and some Metroid Prime rumors.
Amazon Fall Hardware Event (3:37)
PlayStation's Acquisition of Bluepoint Games (26:40)
Metroid Prime Rumors (31:59)
Then the duo goes hands-on in their What-Are-You-Up-To Segment:
Techtic guest-stars on another podcast (39:44)
Nerdbomber plays "God of War" (40:39)
We finish it out with some spoopy jokes!
Special shoutout to our Patreon Producer: Steven Keller
Promo this week from: The Contrarians (http://www.wearethecontrarians.com/)
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We'd like to thank each and every one of you for listening in every week. If you'd like to support the show, you can drop us a review on your favorite podcast platform or, if you're feeling extra generous, drop us a subscribe over at Patreon.com/OnlineWarriorsPodcast. We have three tiers of subscriptions, each of which gives you some awesome bonus content!
As always, we appreciate you tuning in, and look forward to seeing you next week! Stay safe and healthy everyone!
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Wednesday Sep 29, 2021
Episode 17.2: Announcements and News from Nintendo Direct and Netflix‘s TUDUM
Wednesday Sep 29, 2021
Wednesday Sep 29, 2021
Welcome back to another episode of the Online Warriors Podcast! This week, it's "date night" on the show - a Techtic and Nerdbomber special! We had a ton of nerdy news and announcements to cover, so let's jump right into this jam-packed episode.
We kick off the episode by reviewing the announcements and previews from last week's Nintendo Direct:
Kirby and the Forgotten Lands (4:43)
Chocobo GP (8:49)
Nintendo Switch Online - N64 and SEGA Genesis Expansion Pack (13:14)
Bayonetta 3 (19:11)
Super Mario Movie Casting (23:11)
Quick recap of other Nintendo news (29:05)
Next up, we discuss some of our top highlights from Netflix's first annual "TUDUM" showcase for their upcoming original content:
Stranger Things Season 4 teaser (34:05)
The Witcher news (36:31)
The Sandman (40:11)
Army of Thieves (43:04)
Arcane: League of Legends (46:13)
Cobra Kai Season 4 teaser (48:02)
Don't Look Up (50:06)
Roald Dahl Estate acquisition (51:00)
Quick recap of other news (52:01)
Then the duo goes hands-on in their What-Are-You-Up-To Segment:
Techtic watches Venom and plays Plants vs. Zombies Battle for Neighborsville (52:30)
Nerdbomber finishes Deathloop (53:45)
We round everything out with some Venom-ous trivia! Tune in to see if Nerdbomber can best herself in a game of solo trivia. (1:00:43)
Special shoutout to our Patreon Producer: Steven Keller
Promo this week from: Book of Lies Podcast
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We'd like to thank each and every one of you for listening in every week. If you'd like to support the show, you can drop us a review on your favorite podcast platform or, if you're feeling extra generous, drop us a subscribe over at Patreon.com/OnlineWarriorsPodcast. We have three tiers of subscriptions, each of which gives you some awesome bonus content!
As always, we appreciate you tuning in, and look forward to seeing you next week! Stay safe and healthy everyone!
Find us all over the web:
Online Warriors Twitter: https://twitter.com/onlinewarriors1
Illeagle's Twitter: https://twitter.com/OWIlleagle86
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Techtic's Twitter: https://twitter.com/OWTechtic
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Wednesday Sep 22, 2021
Wednesday Sep 22, 2021
Welcome back to another episode of the Online Warriors Podcast! This week, we have a very special episode in store for you. One of our Patreon producers, Mr. Ben Cheknis, makes a guest appearance and we discuss some exciting new series on the way, as well as what's going on in space.
Anthony Mackie cast as the lead in the upcoming Twisted Metal series (00:10:23)
A new trailer drops for Marvel's Hawkeye Series (00:22:40)
SpaceX launches their first civilian trip to space (00:38:01)
The crew then goes in to their What-Are-You-Up-To Segment:
Ben plays Psychonauts (00:49:37)
Illeagle gets into true crime (00:56:18)
Nerdbomber plays Deathloop (01:01:07)
Techtic tinkers and watches Ballers (01:07:11)
This week, we quiz ourselves on some Coldplay (01:09:10)
Special shoutout to our Patreon Producer: Steven Keller
This week's episode is brought to you by HelloFresh! Do you feel like you are stuck in a dinner rut? With HelloFresh you get fresh pre-measured ingredients with mouth watering seasonal recipes delivered right to your door. We've teamed up with HelloFresh to give our listeners $80 off. Go to https://hellofresh-ca.o5kg.net/c/2544961/791027/7893 and use code: HFAFF80 to get an $80 Discount off your first three boxes, including Free Shipping on your first box!
We'd like to thank each and every one of you for listening in every week. If you'd like to support the show, you can drop us a review on your favorite podcast platform or, if you're feeling extra generous, drop us a subscribe over at Patreon.com/OnlineWarriorsPodcast. We have three tiers of subscriptions, each of which gives you some awesome bonus content!
As always, we appreciate you tuning in, and look forward to seeing you next week! Stay safe and healthy everyone!
Find us all over the web:
Online Warriors Twitter: https://twitter.com/onlinewarriors1
Illeagle's Twitter: https://twitter.com/OWIlleagle86
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Wednesday Sep 15, 2021
Wednesday Sep 15, 2021
Welcome back to another episode of the Online Warriors Podcast! This week, we have a very special episode in store for you.
We kick off the episode with a special guest interview featuring James Pearmain, Co-Founder and Art Director of Massive Monster! Jim came on the show today to chat about his background in game development and to shed some more light on the studio's upcoming game, Cult of the Lamb. Some quick hits from our interview:
James' background in game development and Flash games (00:59)
The origin story of Massive Monster (05:04)
Why Massive Monster pursued PC and Console games instead of Mobile games (07:11)
Cult of the Lamb's overwhelmingly positive response after the Gamescom reveal (10:34)
The creative inspiration and development story behind Cult of the Lamb (14:29)
An in-depth discussion of the core gameplay loop and elements in Cult of the Lamb (21:21)
The post-launch support/DLC plans for Cult of the Lamb (26:15)
Where and when we can expect to play Cult of the Lamb (28:26)
Future plans for Massive Monster (29:51)
James answers: "If you could be a superhero, what would be your superpower?" (30:47)
Next up, we discuss some of our top highlights out of the game trailers and announcements shown at the PlayStation Showcase! Due to time constraints, we couldn't cover *everything*, but we'd love to hear from you on social media about the one's we missed.
Marvel's Spider-Man 2 (35:36)
Marvel's Wolverine (42:51)
God of War: Ragnarök (49:05)
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic Remake (54:18)
Alan Wake Remastered (1:05:17)
To round out our news segments, we turn towards a new movie trailer:
The Matrix: Resurrections (1:07:57)
The crew then goes hands on in their What-Are-You-Up-To Segment:
Nerdbomber plays a free-to-play shooter with Halo and Portal elements, Splitgate (1:16:15)
Illeagle finishes Call of Duty: WW2 and watches Clickbait and The Circle: Season 3 (1:21:38)
Techtic works on a new Halloween tinkering project (1:24:40)
This week, we stick to the farm-animal territory and have a quiz game all about pigs! (01:26:01)
Special shoutout to our Patreon Producer: Steven Keller
Promo this week from: Firebreathing Kittens
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We'd like to thank each and every one of you for listening in every week. If you'd like to support the show, you can drop us a review on your favorite podcast platform or, if you're feeling extra generous, drop us a subscribe over at Patreon.com/OnlineWarriorsPodcast. We have three tiers of subscriptions, each of which gives you some awesome bonus content!
As always, we appreciate you tuning in, and look forward to seeing you next week! Stay safe and healthy everyone!
Thanks again to James Pearmain! Check out his work and Cult of the Lamb at...
Jim's Twitter: https://twitter.com/ArtJimp
Massive Monster's Twitter: https://twitter.com/massivemonsters
Cult of the Lamb Website: https://www.cultofthelamb.com/
Massive Monster's Website: https://massivemonster.co/
Cult of the Lamb on Steam: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1313140/Cult_of_the_Lamb/
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Wednesday Sep 08, 2021
Episode 16.9: The Wheel of Time, Project Magnum, and My Son
Wednesday Sep 08, 2021
Wednesday Sep 08, 2021
Welcome back to another episode of the Online Warriors Podcast! We've got a great news docket for you all this week, so let's dive right in!
Amazon drops a new trailer for it's upcoming The Wheel of Time series (00:06:41)
Nexon unveils a new trailer for sci-fi looter shooter, Project Magnum (00:17:11)
James McAvoy acts without a script in the new Peacock movie, My Son (00:31:27)
Then the crew catches up on what they've been up to for the past week!
Techtic starts playing Pokemon Sword (00:45:37)
Nerdbomber continues playing Hades and watches Vacation Friends (00:47:58)
Illeagle watches The Manchurian Candidate and Clickbait. He also plays Uncharted: Lost Legacy. (00:52:25)
Then, get ready to look at this photograph! We're diving into Nickelback trivia! (00:58:47)
This week's episode is brought to you by Misen!Virtually every chef agrees that a sharp, well-balanced Chef's Knife is the essential workhorse for any kitchen. Get your hands on your own Misen knife at wholesale prices by visiting https://bit.ly/3mWH8UT.
Special shoutout to our Patreon Producer: Steven Keller!
We'd like to thank each and every one of you for listening in every week. If you'd like to support the show, you can drop us a review on your favorite podcast platform or, if you're feeling extra generous, drop us a subscribe over at Patreon.com/OnlineWarriorsPodcast. We have three tiers of subscriptions, each of which gives you some awesome bonus content!
As always, we appreciate you tuning in, and look forward to seeing you next week! Stay safe and healthy everyone.
Find us all over the web:
Online Warriors Twitter: https://twitter.com/onlinewarriors1
Illeagle's Twitter: https://twitter.com/OWIlleagle86
Nerdbomber's Twitter: https://twitter.com/OWNerdbomber
Techtic's Twitter: https://twitter.com/OWTechtic
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/onlinewarriorspodcast
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Wednesday Sep 01, 2021
Episode 16.8: Gamescom 2021 and Spider-Man: No Way Home
Wednesday Sep 01, 2021
Wednesday Sep 01, 2021
Welcome back to another episode of the Online Warriors Podcast! This week, we have an episode chock-full of gaming news from Gamescom! We also have an exciting MCU trailer to discuss, so let's hop right into it:
We run through some of our top announcements and trailers from Gamescom (4:18):
Halo Infinite (4:36)
Call of Duty: Vanguard (11:05)
Saints Row (15:46)
Metroid Dread (20:57)
Hypercharged: Unboxed (25:54)
Giants Uprising (28:16)
Severed Steel (30:55)
Marvel's Midnight Suns (31:38)
Synced: Off Planet (33:26)
DokeV (35:30)
The Outlast Trials (37:56)
Cult of the Lamb (38:54)
After that, we discuss the long-awaited Spider-Man: No Way Home trailer! (43:47)
Then the crew catches up on what they've been up to for the past week!
Illeagle watches a rom-com movie, What If, and a reality show, FBoy Island (52:09)
Nerdbomber watches The Chair and Tumbledown (55:12)
Techtic watches Logan Lucky on an outdoor projector setup (1:00:35)
Then, to cap off the Spider-Man madness, we have some Spidey-themed trivia! See how many Tobey-related questions Illeagle can sneak in. (1:03:16)
This week's episode is brought to you by HelloFresh! Do you feel like you are stuck in a dinner rut? With HelloFresh you get fresh pre-measured ingredients with mouth watering seasonal recipes delivered right to your door. We've teamed up with HelloFresh to give our listeners $80 off. Go to https://hellofresh-ca.o5kg.net/c/2544961/791027/7893 and use code: HFAFF80 to get an $80 Discount off your first three boxes, including Free Shipping on your first box!
Special shoutout to our Patreon Producer: Steven Keller!
Promo from Xbox Tavern (https://www.xboxtavern.com)
We'd like to thank each and every one of you for listening in every week. If you'd like to support the show, you can drop us a review on your favorite podcast platform or, if you're feeling extra generous, drop us a subscribe over at Patreon.com/OnlineWarriorsPodcast. We have three tiers of subscriptions, each of which gives you some awesome bonus content!
As always, we appreciate you tuning in, and look forward to seeing you next week! Stay safe and healthy everyone.
Find us all over the web:
Online Warriors Twitter: https://twitter.com/onlinewarriors1
Illeagle's Twitter: https://twitter.com/OWIlleagle86
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Wednesday Aug 25, 2021
Wednesday Aug 25, 2021
Welcome back to another episode of the Online Warriors Podcast! This week, we're joined by our very own Patreon Producer, Steven! Give him a big hand as we jump into some awesome news discussion:
A second trailer for Marvel's Eternals drops (6:54)
Star Wars: Visions gets a content trailer (20:28)
Pokémon Presents gives us a closer look at Pokémon Legends: Arceus and Brilliant Diamond/Shining Pearl (38:35)
Then the crew catches up on what they've been up to for the past week!
Steven plays Axiom Verge 2 and Dodgeball Academia (53:16)
Illeagle watches Marvel's What-If...? (1:00:07)
Techtic plays The Ascent in couch co-op (1:02:22)
Nerdbomber continues to play Supergiant's smash-hit, Hades (1:03:10)
Then, grab your pizza and nunchucks! We're diving into the sewers for TMNT trivia! (1:06:55)
This week's episode is brought to you by HelloFresh! Do you feel like you are stuck in a dinner rut? With HelloFresh you get fresh pre-measured ingredients with mouth watering seasonal recipes delivered right to your door. We've teamed up with HelloFresh to give our listeners $80 off. Go to https://hellofresh-ca.o5kg.net/c/2544961/791027/7893 and use code: HFAFF80 to get an $80 Discount off your first three boxes, including Free Shipping on your first box!
Special shoutout to our Patreon Producers: Ben Cheknis and Steven Keller!
Promo from Cartoon Dumpster Dive!
We'd like to thank each and every one of you for listening in every week. If you'd like to support the show, you can drop us a review on your favorite podcast platform or, if you're feeling extra generous, drop us a subscribe over at Patreon.com/OnlineWarriorsPodcast. We have three tiers of subscriptions, each of which gives you some awesome bonus content!
As always, we appreciate you tuning in, and look forward to seeing you next week! Stay safe and healthy everyone.
Find us all over the web:
Online Warriors Twitter: https://twitter.com/onlinewarriors1
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Wednesday Aug 18, 2021
Episode 16.6: Field of Dreams TV Show, Yik Yak is Back, and the ID@Xbox Showcase
Wednesday Aug 18, 2021
Wednesday Aug 18, 2021
Welcome back to another episode of the Online Warriors Podcast! This week, we've got some awesome nerdy news to discuss. Let's hop right in:
Mike Schur is adapting Field of Dreams for television on Peacock (05:53)
Yik Yak is making a comeback (20:30)
Xbox hosts the ID@Xbox Indie Showcase with games like Lightyear Frontier, Lab Rat, Pupparazzi, and more! (36:55)
Then the crew catches up on what they've been up to for the past week!
Illeagle listens to the Greenlights audiobook by Matthew McConaughey (50:33)
Techtic has an endoscopy and gets a little loopy (55:46)
Nerdbomber plays Supergiant's smash-hit, Hades (1:00:31)
Then we wrap it up with quiz-ception! It's a trivia game about Jeopardy! (1:05:51).
This week's episode is brought to you by HelloFresh! Do you feel like you are stuck in a dinner rut? With HelloFresh you get fresh pre-measured ingredients with mouth watering seasonal recipes delivered right to your door. We've teamed up with HelloFresh to give our listeners $80 off. Go to https://hellofresh-ca.o5kg.net/c/2544961/791027/7893 and use code: HFAFF80 to get an $80 Discount off your first three boxes, including Free Shipping on your first box!
Special shoutout to our Patreon Producers: Ben Cheknis and Steven Keller!
Promo from The Marvelous Madames Podcast!
We'd like to thank each and every one of you for listening in every week. If you'd like to support the show, you can drop us a review on your favorite podcast platform or, if you're feeling extra generous, drop us a subscribe over at Patreon.com/OnlineWarriorsPodcast. We have three tiers of subscriptions, each of which gives you some awesome bonus content!
As always, we appreciate you tuning in, and look forward to seeing you next week! Stay safe and healthy everyone.
Find us all over the web:
Online Warriors Twitter: https://twitter.com/onlinewarriors1
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Wednesday Aug 11, 2021
Episode 16.5: Stranger Things 4, Y: The Last Man, and a Cancelled Power Rangers Game
Wednesday Aug 11, 2021
Wednesday Aug 11, 2021
Welcome back to another episode of the Online Warriors Podcast! This week, after some riveting grocery banter, the team tackles some entertainment previews and gaming news.
Netflix releases a new teaser for Stranger Things 4 (5:20)
Y: The Last Man gets a new trailer for its television adaptation (16:40)
A shelved Power Rangers open world co-op game sees the light of day (30:14)
Then the crew catches up on what they've been up to for the past week!
Techtic watches The Suicide Squad (45:06)
Nerdbomber watches Startup and plays Forza Horizon 4 (48:10)
Illeagle watches Mr. Corman and Sexy Beasts (52:48)
Then we wrap it up with some spicy trivia all about peppers! See who gives the hottest answers at (57:43).
This week's episode is brought to you by HelloFresh! Do you feel like you are stuck in a dinner rut? With HelloFresh you get fresh pre-measured ingredients with mouth watering seasonal recipes delivered right to your door. We've teamed up with HelloFresh to give our listeners $80 off. Go to https://hellofresh-ca.o5kg.net/c/2544961/791027/7893 and use code: HFAFF80 to get an $80 Discount off your first three boxes, including Free Shipping on your first box!
Special shoutout to our Patreon Producers: Ben Cheknis and Steven Keller!
Promo from The Last Comic Shop (lastcomicshoppodcast.com).
We'd like to thank each and every one of you for listening in every week.
If you'd like to support the show, you can drop us a review on your favorite podcast platform or, if you're feeling extra generous, drop us a subscribe over at Patreon.com/OnlineWarriorsPodcast. We have three tiers of subscriptions, each of which gives you some awesome bonus content!
As always, we appreciate you tuning in, and look forward to seeing you next week! Stay safe and healthy everyone.
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About your Hosts
The hosts of the Online Warriors Podcast are actually friends in real life! (We know, right?) They've been friends for over a decade, and that carries forward in their conversational chemistry. But who are these people?
Techtic: A nerdy engineer with fungal tendencies. Man, this guy can really grow on you. Also really into dad jokes - but not a dad.
Illeagle86: A PhD student who still doesn't know what his research is about. But he likes talking about books, movies, games and stuff.
Nerdbomber: A huge nerd who obviously watched too much Full House as a kid. May still be a giant kid. Jury is still out.